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MLM is much the same way. August, 2008], Sadism in High Schools and School Shooters: 5 Reasons why Isabelle Robinson’s Op-Ed is flat wrong, “‘Walk Up, Not Out’ is a campaign of cowardice, promoted by adults who want there to be a solution to school shootings that asks literally nothing of us”, King of Freaks, the Saga of the West Memphis Three discussion with William Ramsey, Oscar Pistorius Anniversary: Revisiting Reeva’s Perspective, #Shakedown Smackdown of Idiocy Surrounding #OscarPistoriusMovie. Chris took the photo and sent it to Shan’ann. I thought I was going to choke, but I didn’t. Agreed. But the numbers add up to be staggering amounts, year upon year upon year. They can create a fool-proof persona, hide behind a beautiful wife and family, share-share-share on social media and blend in until the right stressors and triggers present themselves. Rohde Trial: Can a body bruise after it has died, even one prone to bruising? Does Chris Watts seem like he is genuinely happy to be there? Post was not sent - check your email addresses! How cynical is that. We are energy. Instead of taking a million dollars from 10 people, you take $10 from a million people. When your partner promotors become ye of little faith, and abandon all hope, the house of cards craters into a pile of dust. At What Point Was Chris Watts DONE With THRIVE? Police … Q: You wrote something called “The Main Street Bubble.” In there, you said that you believe that the MLM industries– losses are substantially greater than the Madoff affair. And, they spring up all of the time. Hold up, is that a SCRATCH on Chris Watts’ neck? That’s great. But Holbrook is no ordinary … Shan’ann Watts died Intestate – Is A Court Battle Looming in Probate Court over Life Insurance? Chris Watts killed his pregnant wife Shanann and their two daughters Bella and Celeste in Aug. 2018. It’s no wonder then that people like Shanann are drawn to these companies’ promise of sustainable at-home work. Van Breda: Monday’s Closing Arguments – what to expect? The listed ingredients in the basic Thrive patches include ForsLean (the commercial name for the herb Coleus forskohlii), green coffee bean extract, garcinia cambogia, coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10), … You said that Shanann took that picture of the doll on the coach? Credit cards are scams. She had him open a Thrive account so she could put his (really her) sales as her direct downline. The high cost of higher education, makes it unaffordable for most folk. No innocent father and family man would dispose of his precious babies the way he did if he truly did not kill them. Shan’ann was supposed to be home earlier but her plane was delayed. ANALYSIS, WATCH: Henri van Breda’s application for leave to appeal. That part might not be right, but what about this non explanation for anything? Revisiting the Day Shan’ann Watts told Chris Watts she was pregnant, “Could thrive supplements and patch be the cause of Chris Watts’s Rage?”, Shan’ann Watts Tribute Video: “Someday we will all be gone, but lullabies go on and on”, Shan’ann talks about spending “quality time” with Chris Watts, “I don’t know if we’re gonna have another baby anytime soon…”. One thing I notice about her videos is she is passive aggressive. His appearing to go along during the videos as well belies his covert plotting in his mind to bring all of it to an end. The best way to lose weight is to eat fewer calories and get more exercise. Your response to the “how bad was it” question appears to be “hey, not so bad”. Couple these challenges with lack of decent living wage jobs with benefits and affordable housing. You want to see if it does work. Watch out for my discussion with A Dark and Stormy Book Club this Saturday about The Murder of Vincent Van Gogh, A short interview I gave to RSG News on The Murder of Vincent van Gogh, 22 Reasons Why “Lost Boys” Author Mark Minnie Didn’t Commit Suicide, 12 Similarities Between Mark Minnie’s Suicide Note and Dave Allen’s. Chris Watts Stoic During His Arrest – just like Scott Peterson, WTF? Madoff conned a relatively small number of people with investment money. Once created, energy can not be destroyed. In that regard, the MLMs are a microcosm of our overall economy, which is complicit in delivering economic instability and misery to so many in order to benefit a very few. I have no idea what this means but it’s my professional opinion. What attracted me to it was that I could be my own boss, set my own hours, build something where I could move up due to my own hard work and merit compared to my 9-5 that paid me a set salary, with a 3 month review and possibly a raise after 6 months to a year of only a few more dollars a month. Prior to the murders, was Chris Watts a good father? Very interesting. Analysis alone is breaking down but you will never end up with any useful information if that’s all you do, and yet so many people do. Chris did not take that creepy doll photo she did! Hitchcock knew this well. I am glad Nik has thrown light on those dodgy MLM dupes and the company they sell their souls to. So was she earning $80 000 in sales per year, commissions, was that her total income? Of course they touch it and get burned again anyway, but at what point do you step back and say “If you don’t like burning your hand, then why do you keep touching a hot stove?” It’s just weird to me that each time she thought she’d get a different result, even though in the past she had lost money with every single MLM she joined. And still thrivin’. This admitted inability to rise and face another day sounds like depression, not due to some chronic personality disorder, but due to exhaustion—and hopelessness. Try and get that paid off. Chris Watts' mistress Nichol Kessinger told investigators he always had at least two weight-loss patches stuck to him at all times. Tens of thousands on social media are interpreting this case not on merit, but through their own investments in MLM. The screengrab above is from Shan’ann Watts twitter page, indicating just a few of the accounts she was following. Is THIS Casey Anthony’s motive, timestamped, in her own words? When MLM is handled in court hopefully a few pennies will drop. The best horror is a mixture of fear and humor, moreso when it’s not happening to you. Overall, I see the Watts’s lives unraveling in the larger context of these economic cravasses that aren’t solely accountable for the Watts’s tragic demise but are certainly complicit in it. What did Chris Watts HATE about Shan’ann? Pauline, I found the Grudge incident funny—even then—but also just a tad bit concerning—lol! An Oscar for the Great Pretender [WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES], “Be brave…make your voice heard, your physical you seen and the presence of your mental you felt.” – Reeva Steenkamp [WARNING GRAPHIC CRIME SCENE PHOTOS], Oscar Pistorius Sentencing July 6 [LIVE COVERAGE], Oscar Pistorius Sentencing Hearing: Day 2 [LIVE COVERAGE], Oscar Pistorius Sentencing Hearing: Day 3. “She said she did not know. The banks who offer them know that people want to buy things whether they can afford them or not, so credit is issued in the form of a credit card. Q: Who was the one in the relationship that posted pictures every day? Those promoters who buy into it the deepest have the most face to lose, so they try to dig in, hoping the tide will turn. It has been verified that Shan’ann took the picture.. Chris was at work when the picture was taken. A :Shannan. Is it so hard to admit you’ve made a mistake? And then there’s this wishy washy ahhh, it’s not so bad attitude to it. Therefore, you can determine the losses. Dr. Perumal, I have a question for you about faeces! It takes a while to absorb and understand it. | MemePosts. The only true victims in this crime are those dear innocent children, Bella, CeCe and even though he was not even born yet Nico…he was being used for a backdrop and to get attention from her family and on her newsfeed for content. They are beautiful souls. I’m just using that analogously. ” I investigated, and found a family saga rooted in the heyday of Colorado political journalism, in the gas and oil boom years, including rodeo circuit stardom and family tragedy, and the criminal indictment and sentencing of the landowner, Mr. Mike Cervi, for violating the Safe Water Act by injecting petroleum wastes into the High Plains / Ogalalla Aquifer ”, https://www.coloradopols.com/diary/85239/weld-county-trump-supporter-poisoned-groundwater. Same here, I had the same feeling about the house. So in many ways direct sales strengthened me, but what I’m most sorry for is that I continued to believe I was actually getting somewhere financially long after the writing was on the wall. I’ve covered a few with … Shan’ann Watts: “I refuse to let anyone take over my body, or my life”. Shan’ann described herself on Instagram in 2018 at the time of her death as a 80K VIP LeVel Promoter. Scams abound. Can Vincent van Gogh’s ear be rescued from the towering haystack of mainstream mythology? And if you do your pyramid could crumble at any time. And it’s no wonder that when this promise proves empty that a family like the Watts experiences serious financial and emotional stress. Was Chris Watts having an affair with another man? A: Shannan. Multilevel marketing is using a different system. The neighbor saw him outside without the girls, around 7:30 – 8pm. But the claims just aren’t true, and some of these products could even hurt your health. Why would she stop unless she was losing money? It’s great if people with experience in MLM can share their views. Anyway, this thread is supposed to be dedicated to magical thinking as per MLMs, but I certainly understand how it can extend to misconceptions regarding one’s mate. One definition of Magical Thinking reads: Magical thinking is the belief that one’s own thoughts, wishes, or desires can influence the external world. There’s analysis but also synthesis. Shanann Watts was live in Facebook Live video called “12 Days of Christmas Sale – Liquid touch foundation” on November 27, 2016 at 9:23 PM. Most do not. My one issue here is that Shanann was on MLM number five or so? I think he beat her before strangulation. (if you believe they were playing with them in the first place, which I personally question this) constantly for thumbs up and comments from other bored dupes? Perhaps ex-Thrivers can comment anonymously below on how the dollars and cents add up – or don’t add up. Guessing it might interest you Nick, when you’re updating your book on the disposal site. It’s like a psychological drug that sucks you in and takes all your money. She was negative about it, she didn’t believe any of it, at first. Chris hated Shan’ann with a passion and with absolute rage. Rohde Trial: The 1 Factor that determines murder or suicide, The #1 Reason Susan Rohde DIDN’T kill herself, According to Brendan Miller, Susan Rohde was “calm” shortly before her death. Really? She told police he typically wore the patches on his left and right bicep and tricep area and on his lower back - something the product's makers might even describe as overkill, as they recommend wearing only one patch a day. Reports stated that Chris made $62,000 a year before taxes working for Andarko (gas company) and that Shanann had rose to the top of her pyramid scheme based business “Thrive” and was making over $80,000 a year: BUT the fact is that she was only making $32,000 a year as an independent sales rep for “Thrive… I did the right thing – I gave up – finally, and I also returned most of my product for a refund. Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? Sorry but I have to tell you that he didn’t post that picture at all. #JonBenet, How John Ramsey Continues to Perpetrate a Fraud Upon the Public, Excerpt from The Craven Silence #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt from The Craven Silence 2 #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt from The Craven Silence 3 #JonBenetRamsey, The Reviews are in for The Craven Silence Trilogy, An Excerpt from sequin star #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt #2 from sequin star #JonBenetRamsey, BREAKING: John Ramsey Secretly Files Civil Suit Against CBS, The Changing Stories of John Ramsey, Part 1 [SoundCloud], The Changing Stories of John Ramsey, Part 2, Our Reaction to the CNN Special Report: JonBenet, Levi Page interviews The Craven Silence authors March 2017. Incredible Story! (Deceptive, exploitative and fraudulent behaviour – but MLMs deserve all they get ! ) Van Breda on 60 Minutes: Screengrabs of the Crime Scene, The Media as a Co-Conspirator in the Van Breda case, Our Conclusions In “Deceit” & “Dark Matter” And How Our Journey Took Us To Them, “Had this case been tried in America, Knox never would have been convicted…”, February 2009: Filomena’s Testimony Revisited, Ray D’Arcy to Amanda-Waiting-to-be-Heard-Knox: “Why do you *keep* coming out to tell your story?”, Despicable: The Shakedown of Knox Podcast Series. Very sound advice but who wants to listen to logical financial/career planning? When she got home, she took off her shoes and luggage by the door, and like any decent mother went immediately upstairs to check on her babies. Shanann Watts worked for Le-Vel, a company that sells Thrive health and wellness products, according to her Linkedin profile. Or training seminars. As you have seen above, she attended a vision board party. Sounds very much like she’s there to control what is said about the company. Always one of the most popular product groupings, with a great value and enough THRIVE for 4 weeks on the Experience: 2 Lifestyle Capsules … That’s exactly what’s happening on social media. Of course Chris resented her. People like them thrive (no pun intended) in our social Media-obsessed society. Le … Multiply those losses over years. If Vincent van Gogh didn’t cut off his ear, who did? However, these companies and other predatory enterprises, such as credit cards, only thrive because the overall economy is a scam manipulated by and on behalf of the extremely wealthy one percent. This entire case has so many side roads to venture down but this Thrive piece is really the most intriguing to me with all the crazy attached to it…..I will be very focused on what lawyers on both sides do with this piece. It seems that every MLM/pyramid scheme needs to have a shake mix nowadays. I’d like to see more people in true crime thinking for themselves and building ideas than nitpicking on one element of someone else’s idea. If you’re serious about true crime and a particular case, then you start piecing things together. He ripped off the mask – his faked persona – and revealed his total depravity. I understand that MLM companies are predatory, no doubt about that. At the time, Shanann had been doing Le-Vel 1 year. Yet people keep maxing them out and getting new ones because “it will help your credit score.” If you are late one payment your introductory rate of 8% jumps to 22.9%. Life is but a dream. Chris Watts 2012 Speech on Communication Speech, Relationship Deterioration and Repair, Chris Watts grew up somewhere on this road on the outskirts of Spring Lake, North Carolina, Chris Watts’ “photographic memory” provides a unique window into his mind, and his psychology, Chris Watts: Voted most likely to succeed in the Class of 2003. What’s creepy is the kids did NOT pose that doll as she stated. Kessinger said Watts lost 13 pounds between July 4 and Aug. 11. But, once she started selling Thrive, her friend said she was making between $65,000 and $70,000 a year and that she had signed up approximately 200 people. So often you’ll put forward 100 facts and someone will notice one fact that doesn’t sound 100% right. It’s not clear what Le-Vel’s various levels actually mean. I have an ex who operated this way (inexplicably left a copy of the movie, “The Grudge” on my coffee table post-divorce; like Shan’ann I thought hummmm). They were so close, she helped deliver Celeste July, 2015. #Rohde What did “Drama, but OK” actually mean? I am sure you chance on this article to figure out if Thrive is a legitimate company, and if you should be part of the Thrive group. Her parents were skeptical. A Week Later, Stephen Paddock’s Motive Still a Mystery. Chris is waiting in a closet in the girls’ bedroom, and watched Shan’ann walk past to only find Bella and CeCe deceased in their beds, but still tucked in as if they were merely asleep. Their house has always struck me as quite empty. I’ve read somewhere that while we are living on Earth we are asleep but when we die, is when we become fully awake and aware. A :Shannan. I think MLM was a big factor in this case. Sign up for our Crime Time Newsletter and subscribe to our true crime podcast Martinis & Murder for all the best true crime content. Magical Thinking. Friends said she won several vacations through the company, which also paid for her Lexus. Dirty South Customs = Shan’ann’s Dirty Little Secret? A four-year-old child, for example, might believe that after wishing for a pony, one will appear at his or her house. You are never safe. It may have not have been known yet but it was not a surprise to her like Chris wants us to believe to back his theory of revenge on Shan’ann’s part. A: Well, again, you just take the numbers of people who are involved. Is Henri van Breda’s motive “a culmination of a festering of a perceived injustice”? 20 Questions: Think you know the Casey Anthony Case? A few pieces of furniture like a stage home, but not actually a real home. The videos of him with his children make me sick. The THRIVE Experience is a premium lifestyle system, to help you experience peak physical and mental levels. Wrong blog page but thought you’d be more likely to see this here. She did not allow him to post about thrive, because she told him “he will say stuff about thrive that he shouldn’t” she also used this account to fund her car. Well this is a bullshit free zone, and I think the Thrive cult know it. It gets harder and harder to maintain them as the market saturates, and as those drinking the Kool-Aid pass the gullibility peak, and pessimism [otherwise known as reality] sets in. MLM is predatory, “but for me…I didn’t feel like a victim”. Shan’ann Watts: MLM & Magical Thinking – just how bad was it? When it comes to magical thinking, just as hay can be spun into gold, and God can breathe life into dust, bodies can become dust again, and gold can be spun back into hay. Shan’ann Watts died Intestate – Is A Court Battle Looming in Probate Court over Life Insurance? For the rest of us, including the likes of another The Secret follower – Jodi Arias – life turns out a little different no matter how elegant our semantics, no matter how compelling or fake our diaries. In Part 4 of the full Chris Watts Interview Transcription, Chris talks about the shock of finding out Shanann was pregnant with Nico, feeling ‘forced’ to be in Facebook videos, Shanann Watts THRIVE … As long as you “get value” what is possibly lost? As is the case with all MLM, it’s easy [or easier] to make those initial sales. | MemePosts, Shan’ann Watts tells her husband: “I don’t want a video of you…” while recording her children. Jodi Arias’ and Casey Anthony’s, too. The stress of it! Look at her behaviour in her photo uploads, all completely staged, from the Steelers outfits to the eviction notice on Bella’s cot, dressing Chris up as santa and trying to force a tired and scared CeCe to perform for her silly ideas on her timeline. COULD Shan’ann have killed her children? Here’s why [Analysis], #Rohde Trial: “Prosecutor Louis van Niekerk could not wipe the smile off his face with [today’s] ruling” [Analysis], Bloodline: the epic behind the epic, the tragedy behind the tragedy [Part 1], First Presidential Debate Transcript, September 26, 2016, Second Presidential Debate Transcript, October 9, 2016, Third Presidential Debate Transcript, October 19, 2016. As Chris Watts had started to see another woman, he was receiving text messages from his wife, Shanann, who was trying to save the marriage. It wasn’t until really a few years ago that I got that the very nature of a pyramid company is that you can’t get there. I kept some of it to service a few residual customers, but didn’t have the heart in it to make the phone calls anymore, so gathered it all up and sold it to a flea market vendor, which I took some small satisfaction in as the company (via the senior sales directors) would express horrified opinions over that our product should never be sold at a flea market! What we can say is no matter how successful Shan’ann was or how wonderful Thrive products are, the Watts family were in serious financial difficulty when the murders happened. Then there was the bun in the oven costume with Chris decked out as a bun maker???. If you subtract what a national has done to stay on top of the heap they aren’t making the figure they are published as making. She talks about still being affected by issues of childhood. What is Henri van Breda’s ring of power – and pain? And of course the razzle dazzle of buying “more stuff” to put in your house as George Carlin used to say. 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